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UFC 109 Spoiler - Henderson
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post Feb 6 2010, 11:30 PM
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Good thing Dana White made sure Henderson didn't resign with UFC. Now you have Sonnen vs. winner Belfort / Anderson. angry.gif

Way to screw up everything Dana nice job
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post Feb 6 2010, 11:44 PM
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Sonnen`s a tougher matchup for Silva than Hendo is.
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post Feb 7 2010, 12:41 AM
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QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 12:44 AM) *
Sonnen`s a tougher matchup for Silva than Hendo is.

Yup. Silva vs. Hendo wouldn't even be competitive.
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post Feb 7 2010, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE (Eyesnore @ Feb 6 2010, 08:41 PM) *
QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 12:44 AM) *
Sonnen`s a tougher matchup for Silva than Hendo is.

Yup. Silva vs. Hendo wouldn't even be competitive.


wrong. Henderson won one round against Anderson. He got careless in round 2.

Sonnen goes out on a stretcher in round 1
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post Feb 7 2010, 06:58 PM
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QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 7 2010, 04:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Eyesnore @ Feb 6 2010, 08:41 PM) *
QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 12:44 AM) *
Sonnen`s a tougher matchup for Silva than Hendo is.

Yup. Silva vs. Hendo wouldn't even be competitive.


wrong. Henderson won one round against Anderson. He got careless in round 2.

Sonnen goes out on a stretcher in round 1

If Anderson's gonna lose a fight, it will be on the ground. That's very clear.

Hendo's ground control/striking is not at the level that Sonnen's is. This is also very clear.

Therefore....

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post Feb 7 2010, 11:37 PM
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QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 05:58 PM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 7 2010, 04:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Eyesnore @ Feb 6 2010, 08:41 PM) *
QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 12:44 AM) *
Sonnen`s a tougher matchup for Silva than Hendo is.

Yup. Silva vs. Hendo wouldn't even be competitive.


wrong. Henderson won one round against Anderson. He got careless in round 2.

Sonnen goes out on a stretcher in round 1

If Anderson's gonna lose a fight, it will be on the ground. That's very clear.

Hendo's ground control/striking is not at the level that Sonnen's is. This is also very clear.

Therefore....




Hendo looked VERY good against Silva. As good as anyone has looked against him.
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post Feb 8 2010, 12:53 AM
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QUOTE (DEAT @ Feb 8 2010, 05:37 AM) *
QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 05:58 PM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 7 2010, 04:50 PM) *
QUOTE (Eyesnore @ Feb 6 2010, 08:41 PM) *
QUOTE (Bad Intentions @ Feb 7 2010, 12:44 AM) *
Sonnen`s a tougher matchup for Silva than Hendo is.

Yup. Silva vs. Hendo wouldn't even be competitive.


wrong. Henderson won one round against Anderson. He got careless in round 2.

Sonnen goes out on a stretcher in round 1

If Anderson's gonna lose a fight, it will be on the ground. That's very clear.

Hendo's ground control/striking is not at the level that Sonnen's is. This is also very clear.

Therefore....




Hendo looked VERY good against Silva. As good as anyone has looked against him.

I'm well aware of that. Still doesn't change what I said, though.
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post Feb 8 2010, 09:30 AM
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I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.

Fantastic performance by Sonnen
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post Feb 8 2010, 10:21 AM
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QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.

Fantastic performance by Sonnen



Sonnen is to easy to submit. He has been submitted far too many times to be considered a world class grappler. If somehow Sonnen doesn't get knocked out it wouldn't surprise me to see Sonnen get submitted by Anderson.


Guys who have submitted Sonnen:
Maia
Filho
Horn X2
Sorbral
Griffin
Prangley

Yeah that is the mark of a guy who is going to beat Anderson on the ground ph34r.gif


Henderson was only submitted by Nog Brothers and Anderson. Anderson was more from being hurt with strikes first.
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post Feb 8 2010, 10:53 AM
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Sonnen is the 185 version of Forrest.
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post Feb 8 2010, 10:57 AM
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QUOTE (BigE @ Feb 8 2010, 07:53 AM) *
Sonnen is the 185 version of Forrest.



Good call.


Yeah Forrest is fighting little Nog. I think little Nog is gonna take Forrest out via stand up.
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post Feb 8 2010, 11:39 AM
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QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:21 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.

Fantastic performance by Sonnen



Sonnen is to easy to submit. He has been submitted far too many times to be considered a world class grappler. If somehow Sonnen doesn't get knocked out it wouldn't surprise me to see Sonnen get submitted by Anderson.


Guys who have submitted Sonnen:
Maia
Filho
Horn X2
Sorbral
Griffin
Prangley

Yeah that is the mark of a guy who is going to beat Anderson on the ground ph34r.gif

Henderson was only submitted by Nog Brothers and Anderson. Anderson was more from being hurt with strikes first.


I don't recall saying he was world class or that he'd beat Anderson on the ground. I said I've seen Silva/Henderson already recently, and don't feel I need to see it again. I believe Sonnen loses, but beating Marquardt Okami and Miller earns a shot more then beating Palhares Franklin and Bisping.
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post Feb 8 2010, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (BigE @ Feb 8 2010, 05:53 PM) *
Sonnen is the 185 version of Forrest.

WTF.
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post Feb 8 2010, 01:02 PM
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QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:39 AM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:21 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.

Fantastic performance by Sonnen



Sonnen is to easy to submit. He has been submitted far too many times to be considered a world class grappler. If somehow Sonnen doesn't get knocked out it wouldn't surprise me to see Sonnen get submitted by Anderson.


Guys who have submitted Sonnen:
Maia
Filho
Horn X2
Sorbral
Griffin
Prangley

Yeah that is the mark of a guy who is going to beat Anderson on the ground ph34r.gif

Henderson was only submitted by Nog Brothers and Anderson. Anderson was more from being hurt with strikes first.


I don't recall saying he was world class or that he'd beat Anderson on the ground. I said I've seen Silva/Henderson already recently, and don't feel I need to see it again. I believe Sonnen loses, but beating Marquardt Okami and Miller earns a shot more then beating Palhares Franklin and Bisping.


I wanted to see Henderson again because I think with a revised game plan he had a chance to win. The only other guy in the UFC at 185 that I think has a chance to beat him is Belfort. I can't see Maia, Chonnen, Belcher, Akiyama etc. giving Anderson much of a challenge. This is just my opinion of course I can see your point of view.
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post Feb 8 2010, 01:08 PM
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QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 07:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.


This is my stance as well. They had their shot.
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post Feb 8 2010, 02:03 PM
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QUOTE (Madness @ Feb 8 2010, 10:08 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 07:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.


This is my stance as well. They had their shot.



Well Liddell should have not had another crack at Couture then. GSP should not had another shot at Serra or Hughes. Rematches happen. There are so many ways to lose in MMA that one match is not always enough.
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post Feb 8 2010, 02:44 PM
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QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Madness @ Feb 8 2010, 10:08 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 07:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.


This is my stance as well. They had their shot.


Well Liddell should have not had another crack at Couture then. GSP should not had another shot at Serra or Hughes. Rematches happen. There are so many ways to lose in MMA that one match is not always enough.

If a title holder loses, they get a rematch. Don't be so fucking stupid.

If a guy gets blown away by the title holder, do they deserve a rematch? Maybe down the road, but I think the majority of us would like to see different guys get title shots if possible.
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post Feb 8 2010, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 02:02 PM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:39 AM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:21 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.

Fantastic performance by Sonnen



Sonnen is to easy to submit. He has been submitted far too many times to be considered a world class grappler. If somehow Sonnen doesn't get knocked out it wouldn't surprise me to see Sonnen get submitted by Anderson.


Guys who have submitted Sonnen:
Maia
Filho
Horn X2
Sorbral
Griffin
Prangley

Yeah that is the mark of a guy who is going to beat Anderson on the ground ph34r.gif

Henderson was only submitted by Nog Brothers and Anderson. Anderson was more from being hurt with strikes first.


I don't recall saying he was world class or that he'd beat Anderson on the ground. I said I've seen Silva/Henderson already recently, and don't feel I need to see it again. I believe Sonnen loses, but beating Marquardt Okami and Miller earns a shot more then beating Palhares Franklin and Bisping.


I wanted to see Henderson again because I think with a revised game plan he had a chance to win. The only other guy in the UFC at 185 that I think has a chance to beat him is Belfort. I can't see Maia, Chonnen, Belcher, Akiyama etc. giving Anderson much of a challenge. This is just my opinion of course I can see your point of view.


But you're guessing those guys won't give him a challenge, we know Henderson didn't
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post Feb 8 2010, 03:21 PM
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QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 12:15 PM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 02:02 PM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 08:39 AM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 11:21 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 05:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.

Fantastic performance by Sonnen



Sonnen is to easy to submit. He has been submitted far too many times to be considered a world class grappler. If somehow Sonnen doesn't get knocked out it wouldn't surprise me to see Sonnen get submitted by Anderson.


Guys who have submitted Sonnen:
Maia
Filho
Horn X2
Sorbral
Griffin
Prangley

Yeah that is the mark of a guy who is going to beat Anderson on the ground ph34r.gif

Henderson was only submitted by Nog Brothers and Anderson. Anderson was more from being hurt with strikes first.


I don't recall saying he was world class or that he'd beat Anderson on the ground. I said I've seen Silva/Henderson already recently, and don't feel I need to see it again. I believe Sonnen loses, but beating Marquardt Okami and Miller earns a shot more then beating Palhares Franklin and Bisping.


I wanted to see Henderson again because I think with a revised game plan he had a chance to win. The only other guy in the UFC at 185 that I think has a chance to beat him is Belfort. I can't see Maia, Chonnen, Belcher, Akiyama etc. giving Anderson much of a challenge. This is just my opinion of course I can see your point of view.


But you're guessing those guys won't give him a challenge, we know Henderson didn't



Henderson won the first round easily then became overconfident in his ability to strike. His over confidence cost him the fight. Who else ever won a round easily against Anderson.

sonnen is going to get beat down especially after he opened his mouth. That is if Belfort doesn't pull the upset.
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post Feb 8 2010, 03:50 PM
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QUOTE (BigE @ Feb 8 2010, 11:44 AM) *
QUOTE (Rayrobinson#1 @ Feb 8 2010, 02:03 PM) *
QUOTE (Madness @ Feb 8 2010, 10:08 AM) *
QUOTE (97SRAD750 @ Feb 8 2010, 07:30 AM) *
I'd rather see a new opponent then the same guys getting a crack at him.


This is my stance as well. They had their shot.


Well Liddell should have not had another crack at Couture then. GSP should not had another shot at Serra or Hughes. Rematches happen. There are so many ways to lose in MMA that one match is not always enough.

If a title holder loses, they get a rematch. Don't be so fucking stupid.

If a guy gets blown away by the title holder, do they deserve a rematch? Maybe down the road, but I think the majority of us would like to see different guys get title shots if possible.



Henderson was a title holder. He held the Pride belt. In fact Henderson held both middleweight and light heavyweight belts. Then he even worked his way up and still was denied a shot. Maybe Dana was afraid Henderson might pull off the upset? No way does Henderson have the marketability of Anderson Silva.
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