Mosley-Mayweather scuffle video Options

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

Mosley's gonna fuck him up

[BBQmyNUTZ]

Sean probably wouldn't invite either man to his club for a round of golf, regardless of how nicely they're dressed.

[THE BODYSNATCHER]

30 secs in...

Jackie Chan block!

Mosley KO 1.

[vatoloco70]

Floyd: "I want to show the world my sport is clean." So noble...... could there be a Nobel Prize in Floyd's future?

[shutterworth]

Mayweather is like so fucked come May 1st

[expertboxer]

Mayweather is like so fucked come May 1st

You gonna be hiding in his dressing room or something?

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

30 secs in...

Jackie Chan block!

Mosley KO 1.

It's not just that, check out the wing chun shit where Floyd tries to put his hands on Mosley but can't

This video clearly demonstrates that Mosley has the edge in physical strength, reflexes and defensive ability. The offensive ability is already proven, obviously.

This fight is going to be funny as hell.

[shutterworth]

Mayweather is like so fucked come May 1st

You gonna be hiding in his dressing room or something?

No, but your fat, balding, toothless momma gonna be.

Mosely by late KO
Don't ask how just know it will happen.

[Doug]

Shane looked really confident in the presser. Floyd was the one who seemed slightly hesitant during the interview. With a little luck, we'll finally see how Floyd handles a true welter who has the tools to make him work.

[Drago]

Floyd looks exactly the same size as Mosley. Not good for Mosley.

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

Floyd looks exactly the same size as Mosley. Not good for Mosley.

I don't know what you expected from two former lightweight 147lbers?

All I know is that in their last fight, one of them knocked out the man with "the best chin I've ever seen, blah blah blah...", and the other one couldn't even put a dent in a man three weight divisions below him.

[Drago]

Floyd looks exactly the same size as Mosley. Not good for Mosley.

I don't know what you expected from two former lightweight 147lbers?

All I know is that in their last fight, one of them knocked out the man with "the best chin I've ever seen, blah blah blah...", and the other one couldn't even put a dent in a man three weight divisions below him.

Good point. Mosley is used to fighting bigger men and is definitely stronger than Mayweather. Mayweather is good, but like Pernell Whitaker before him, he can't seem to dominate guys that he should dominate. He didn't look "sensational" against Ricky Hatton, who was a smaller man fighting out of his weightclass, and though he won every round against JMM, he couldn't stop him, and JMM is a lightweight at best. The one time he fought a guy bigger than himself, an aging Oscar de la Hoya, he almost lost. And that was a "prime" Mayweather and a shell of de la Hoya. Mosley will be the biggest, strongest fighter that Mayweather has fought since de la Hoya, and Mosley has a habit of finishing strong, as opposed to de la Hoya's famous last third wilt.

But Mayweather has been lucky that guys like Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, and Clottey all beat eachother up and even luckier still that it was a 39 year old Shane Mosley who eventually emerged as the dominant fighter at welterweight. It looked like it would be Miguel Cotto there for a second, who is younger than Mayweather, but Cotto now looks like he's on the verge of a precipice, while Mosley gets the call up. I still think to this day that if Mosley and Mayweather had fought at lightweight, that Mosley would have mopped the floor with him, but now that Mosley is almost 39 and has 5 losses of which you can plan a victory blueprint for (6 if you include his rematch with de la Hoya), I think Mayweather will win. Mayweather, for all the criticism about his competition and stipulations, has only been touched more than very rarely in maybe three fights in his career. He also retired for a year and a half. He's fresh. His hands will always give him problems, but cardiovascularly, stamina wise, and punch resistance wise, Floyd is as fresh a 33 year old boxer as there will ever be. Mosley meanwhile is a battleworn 39 who has fought most everyone in the division except Pacquiao. Mosley also hasn't fought in over a year, is a slow starter anyways, and for all his technical ability and other intangibles, seems completely unable to solve or even adapt a compromise for certain fighters. Mayweather meanwhile is a master of figuring out his opponent and adapting his own game to give his opponents trouble. Mayweather is no stranger to losing a couple of the early rounds only to rebound in the middle of the fight, but I could see Mayweather being the one in this fight to win the early rounds in this fight. Mayweather with a lead in rounds forces Mosley to press the action more, which plays right into the counter punching Mayweather's hands. There is a possible scenario that Mayweather runs away with the fight entirely. There is no such danger from Mosley.

Finally, at 39, Mosley has indeed lost a step, and there is evidence in the Cotto fight and the Mayorga fight that Mosley sometimes can't pull the trigger when he needs to. That, combined with Mayweather's otherworldly reflexes and overall cunning and defence, puts Mosley in a deep hole. Mayweather is rarely available to be hit in the first place, and being unable to tag him when he is available is pretty much the worst attribute to have against Floyd.

I wish I could say I even want Mosley to win, but I don't, because a Pacquiao-Mayweather fight is the biggest fight in boxing since Ali-Frazier. I hope at least he gives a good accounting of himself, and it would be swell if he knocked Mayweather down.

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

Finally, at 39, Mosley has indeed lost a step, and there is evidence in the Cotto fight and the Mayorga fight that Mosley sometimes can't pull the trigger when he needs to.

Ask Mayorga how he thinks Shane's trigger finger is.

While you're there, ask Cotto why he ran for the second half of their fight.

He may not have fought the smartest fight in either case, but he put serious hurt on both those guys. So serious in Mayorgas case that he has to cancel his next fight because of injuries Mosley gave him.

Mosley also hasn't fought in over a year, is a slow starter anyways, and for all his technical ability and other intangibles, seems completely unable to solve or even adapt a compromise for certain fighters.

Mosley isn't a slow starter. He's a fast starter. I doubt there's a first round he's ever lost.

It's a valid criticism though, as he tends to fight the first half of the fight as he wants to, rather than as he should. Despite this, the fact that in almost all his fights, even the losses, he is stronger than his opponent down the stretch, suggests that his adaptability is exceptionally good.

You can certainly (and rightfully so) point the finger at his strategic ability over 12 rounds, but solving a problem hasn't seemed to be a problem.

You could point to the Forrest and Winky rematches as evidence against that, but he reduced Vernon to a sub John Ruiz, and turned Winkys face into pulp. I'd argue he won both, but even if you don't, you have to admit he made great improvements over difficult foes. The kind of foes Floyd has never proven himself against.

[Madness]

Mosley looks to be about an inch taller.

Mosley looks far more comfortable in that stare down/verbal exchange. Mayweather looks a little bit uneasy.

[Drago]

He did better in the rematches against Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright, true, but in the first fight against both he looked hopelessly lost. This is the first time Mosley will fight Mayweather. Mosley has proven that he can't adapt in ring. If you have his number that night, you have his number that night. Meanwhile, Mayweather is master at adapting in-ring.

And say what you want about what Mosley did to Mayorga, but in the end he went life or death with a guy that both Trinidad and de la Hoya made look like a total chump. And Mosley absolutely has lost a step. It is impossible to argue otherwise. He is 39 years old. No 39 year old is as fast as when he was 29, or even 34 for that matter. He was outjabbed and outslicked by Miguel Cotto recently, but that fight was a few years ago even now and Cotto has never been faster than average.

You agree that he is prone to giving up the early rounds, and you also agree that his strategy is usually woeful, and that he tends to rely on his natural ability to carry him through fights. Mayweather has also proven to be just as capable in the late rounds as he is in the early rounds, more so even if you want to look at his fights with Zab Judah, Oscar de la Hoya, and Ricky Hatton.

Mosley has alot going against him in this fight. Basically, if he doesn't get off to a tremendous start and make Mayweather very uncomfortable very quickly, he's going to lose.

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

Mosley has proven that he can't adapt in ring.

Started great in DLH 1, Oscar came back, Shane adapted and took over.

Slow start in DLH 2, came on strong later.

Didn't look great for stretches against Wilfredo Rivera. Close on the cards until Shane put his foot down and stopped him. The same could be said about the Mayorga fight.

Went headhunting against Cotto. Figured him out and dominated him down the stretch.

All good examples about Shane adapting to difficult situations in the ring and changing the course of a fight.

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

You agree that he is prone to giving up the early rounds, and you also agree that his strategy is usually woeful, and that he tends to rely on his natural ability to carry him through fights. Mayweather has also proven to be just as capable in the late rounds as he is in the early rounds, more so even if you want to look at his fights with Zab Judah, Oscar de la Hoya, and Ricky Hatton.

Yeah, but if I look at those three fights, I see that Floyd was impressive late in those fights only with respect to his woeful early showings.

He looked plain terrified against Oscar, slightly overwhelmed by Hatton and Zab Judah of all people knocked him down.

Yeah, credit for turning that around, but he'll be lucky to escape with his life, let alone his undefeated record if he fights a weak firat few rounds against Mosley.

[Prison Mike]

Mosley has proven that he can't adapt in ring.

Started great in DLH 1, Oscar came back, Shane adapted and took over. (PED use unknown)

Slow start in DLH 2, came on strong later. (admitted BALCO use for the fight)

Didn't look great for stretches against Wilfredo Rivera. Close on the cards until Shane put his foot down and stopped him. The same could be said about the Mayorga fight.

Went headhunting against Cotto. Figured him out and dominated him down the stretch.

All good examples about Shane adapting to difficult situations in the ring and changing the course of a fight.

Seem to forget a bit dont you...

[4godssakeudamnfo...]

Seem to forget a bit dont you...

Not at all.

I remembered quite clearly that Oscar has form for dealing with PED users.

Considering that he devastatingly destroyed the much larger roided up Vargas in the later rounds, I not only concluded that Mosley's skills were not only incredible enough to overcome the poison that Balco had given him, but to outfight an Oscar who was clearly more dangerous than ever against a fighter in Shane's compromised position.